[Discussion Thread] ICC World Twenty20, 2016

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SLCricket 1 What about Thiri.

SLCricket 1 What about Thiri. SLCricket 1 though thiri was the reason for whole our defeats in T20 last 2 years and kept on blaming selectors over and over again in this forum.

Today Thirimanne scored wonderful 6 runs off 13 balls to to make defending champions in a winning start. At your face SLCricket1 LOL

This guy thinking everything what he says are the true

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@Jaya apitai LOL well i can't

@Jaya apitai LOL well i can't help if you do not have a brain to understand why i kept on defending thiri for the last two years , let me repeat that for you again .. no player deserve to get dropped after scoring a match winning knock . if he had played this kind of a knock fair i would had never ever defended thiri , but i will stand behalf of any player if he played a 40 and take SL cricket to a victory & get dropped next day.

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Gayle V rest

Ok folks we all the go here, if its Gayles day you lose! So man of the match is the guy who gets Gayle as nothing else really matters. The bad news is the Windies are alot more than Gayle and are studded with serious match winners and power hitters. Even guys like Russel and Sammy can be devastating with the bat down the order. Thankfully we dont have to worry about Nariane and Pollard but still this is the toughest game for us I reckon. Depending on the wicket I am even thinking if we shouldnt play the leg spinner as a surprise package. The Windies bowling is the weak link and we need to take advantage of that to set up a decent total. I also dont think military medium is going to do the trick so the bowling attack I would go for is Chameera, Herath, Vandersy and Lakmal (undecided).

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Its cricket, stupid!!

I have said this many times in all my comments that we are in the desperate situation because no one in the administration bothered about Srilanka cricket. We knew Mahela and Sanga were leaving and they left in 2014, for two years our selectors were asleep. They thought that Angie, Malinga, Kusal, Thisara were around. They never bothered to groom good hard hitting batsmen or great spinners that could give us the edge. What do thye do, tinker with the side at the 11th hour and send an injured malinga to India. Even a full fit Malinga wouldn't have been good enough, he is past his sell by date. We have Chameera, we should carefully watch over him, specially not expose him to the IPL, a local structre should be put in place to financially look after our boys. We should have had Dilshan Munaweera and Kithruwan Vithanage, in my opinion these two are among the best hitters we have in SL. They were never given the chance! Also why the hell havent we developed quality spinners, Sachitra has failed so much, he doesnt even spin the ball. Why was Akila Dhanajaya left out, why was Tharindu Kusal or even for that matter Lakshan Sandakan not pursued with. Sadly this is why we are suffering today. For all the selectors, coaches and everyone in charge of SL criket please get one thing right, either do you job with passion and foresight or LEAVE!! We have too many talented criketers for you to destroy the game we all luv, live and breath. Our strength is in Sub-continent conditions and that is to bowl spin and choke the opposition we must not forget that. We need to groom very correct specialist batsmen, like Virat, Mahela, Sangha, I see a lot of potential in Dhanajaya de Silva. We need to groom power hitters and attacking stroke makers for the T20 version. Just trying to develop only the fast bowlers will not suffice!!

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It's the Economy , stupid!!!

@LuvSLcricket,

Mate, do we have talent? you have bracketed Virat,Sanga,Mahela in the same sentence, it contradicts your own statement about having talent. Sanga Mahela were from a started decade before Kohli. Who we have produced after Sanga since early 2000s?

Yes we have good domestic criketers, but in today's economy I don't think they get encouraging cheques for playing our club cricket. That is why now you see some players try to emigrate to even play second third tier cricket in other countries.

To nurture whatever talent we have in this small island we need a good competition somewhere. It does not have to an island wide competition, which is impossible given that we don't have big enough audience or companies to finance such a competition. May be we need a talent search in school level and bring good athletes to colombo with scholarship schemes.

Do you still think it's cricket, no f***** way, its the economy. Look at India, in 90s they were a closed economy and now only they are starting open up their economy to capitalism and start to prosper. We like it or not they will have better players in years to come. English county system, Ausi clubs pay well enough for players, so they will also not have a problem in foreseeable future.
Look what happened to West Indies, yes they dominated in 70s and 80s, but that was early times before the sport became full professional, at that time it was a semi-professional sport apart in Australia.

What did we do? We made grounds around the country, Dambulla,Pallekale,Hambanthota. Well How many international matches do we play a year? It's a downward spiral from here onward. Our board is financially broken.
Worst is yet to happen. Without Malinga do you think people would turn on their TV to see our players play, only indians will enjoy it for sometime because they can thrash us as much as they like.Already people in Sri Lanka are praying for total blackouts because general public know what is due.

In the professional era of sport, it is impossible to succeed unless your country is economically strong. Need more evidence, look what has happened with Brazil football structure.

Talent strives on good competition that is the bottom line.

btw "It's the Economy stupid"- Bill Clinton campaign 92

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Let the truth be told

@SLCrick & @lolstat great comments folks! Love where you two are taking this discussion and some very valid points raised by both. Thankfully we dont have to all agree with each other to make a good point!

The economics of cricket at SLC goes as far as how much one can plunder period. Nurturing talent at SLC is a sick joke that that is no longer funny. Add to these two the non stop political fiddling and the light at the end of the tunnel is an on comming train! At some stage we need call a spade a spade and get on with fixing issues at SLC which we havent even got started.

We keep hidding behind past glory, individual talents and the misconcieved notion that we are awash with talent. Just beacause one has telent doesnt result in international wins - just ask Pakistan. Look at NZ at the opposite end, how much talent could there be in 3M people that they thump everyone silly in Rugby for decades and now played in the cricket WC final. Their administration and nuturing of talent is second to none. These are mysteries only for SLC administrators, the rest of us wondering why on earth nothing is being done to fix SLC.

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Is there a way out?

I hardly think that we can come out of this financial crisis in our cricket board, same goes for the country but this is not a forum to discuss that.

Yes, after the best athletes are taken up by All Blacks, the NZ cricket gets the left over, but their admins were wise enough to invest on coaching facilities, sports sciences to get the maximum out of what they have.

We should have done these things 20 years ago right after 96 glory. But as a country we lack visionary people. Instead we resort to the easy way out, which is investing on infrastructure. Funny thing is I assume apart from Pallekale none of the new grounds have had a full house. Again this comes from economic strategies, we as a country think the problem is we don't have enough facilities. But its entirely a different thing, its the know-how we lack as a country to stand up.

India invested on cricket academies in different parts of the country first, had enough entrepreneurs to start a t20 league. Now one might wonder we can do that now. Well too late too little. Now cricket is fully professional, I guess Kohli,Smith alike players probably have personal coaches as well.

Avishka said in Bangladesh they play 4 day cricket from 14 year old age. Which is a good initiative, and their timing is correct. They climb up in the 3rd world economy now, but with that market they have a BPL which is supported by local franchises. They have a large population to maintain their league.

Test cricket needs to survive in this market. ICC knows this and they hold discussions about two tier test system. If that goes forward its inevitable we along with Pakistan drops into second tier, that can dent our income further.

yes some might say we are ultimate pessimists, well look at player rankings. Our players are not in top 20 even. Malinga was brutally honest about this, now if you are not good enough you won't get picked by franchises.

In 80-90s Aussies were the bullies, look now. India are bullies and former Aussies are praising India as hard as they can. That is what smart people do. If you can't beat them join them attitude. Their cricket might survive, they knew where the market is.

Instead of bashing IPL, we should think about ways to send our players over there and make up our brand name again. Sri Lankan brand of cricket is not selling anywhere any more. If we can sell it then we can think about getting out of financial crisis.

Yes, as stormy has many times said we argue about X player over Y players, it's a waste of time,but it's less burden on your brain.

Knowledge is power Bacon said, but unfortunately it does not stop there, money sway towards power. India saw the future before us, now we have become their whipping boys.

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Its Cricket!!!

I think you @lolstat have missed understood my comments.

I don't understand how I have contradicted myself? My reference to Virat, Sanga and Mahela was that I consider all of them to be technically correct batsmen. We have produced batsmen of that calibre in Thiri and Chandi. I will tell you why, I was watching one of the matches in Sharjah, 50 overs, Waqar/Wasim/Akhtar were bowling, this was when Sanath was at the helm. Sanga came in, he had been playing for a while back then and looked totally out of sorts and then go out. So was Mahela, every tournament outside the country he failed, so much that after the world cup in South Africa (one day) he was dropped. My observations are that Sanga best we saw, was towards the latter part of his courier, particularly his last two years, similarly with Mahela. The point I'm trying to make is that Thiri and Chandi have scored hundreds outside the sub continent, in bouncing and fast paced tracks. They were not managed well at all, they were sent up and down the order at any given time. Additionally, we (Attapattu) tried to tinker with Chandi's batting style and see what happened. All I'm saying is that these guys are quality players, we must give them some time.

The point I was trying to make was that even the new selectors went with a conservative approach. Its like we are turning back the clock and going with the thought process of the English team. I expected a lot more from Sanga, forget Aravida he has been selector and has not impressed me much. I expected them to take a bold stand, bring in one or two power hitters and then give our bowling some teeth, because we got hammered in the previous tours in India and the Asia cup, so a change was required. But what do they do, bring in Lakmal. Thiri I agree with. But if I were them I would have brought in Kithruwan, Dilshan Munaweera and sent a quality spinner (Lakshan, Akila or Tharindu) and immediately sent home Sachitra, Shehan Jayasuriay, Kasun Rajitha, Kulasekera.

I agree with you wholeheartedly about the domestic structre. Its a bloody mess. Not only the domestic structre, I totally blame the previous cricket Board and all the Administrators. What happened was that when certain ruler was at the helm of our great nation all the rogues were given posh and plum positions and what do rogues do the only thing they know to do. A a former leg spin bowler and a former secretary destroyed SLC. The leg spinner would come to Dubai and stay at the most luxurious suite at the Westin Dubai. The Secretary was into all the underhanded things at the board, from building cricket grounds in the most deserted part of the Island to wasting money on revamping certain grounds to underhnad tours, sponsorships and TV rights. Think the FCID is looking into it no?

I agree with you @lolstat we need to restructre the entire system in SL. First the SLC has to start making money. Secondly, use the popularity of the sport to make it even bigger than what it is in Colombo. We have one Indian Company sponsoring our team at this event, imagine if we got a few more bigger players to come and do that with our domestic structre. We need good facilities at the grounds, like toilets, etc., so families can have something like a carnival watching criket. I work in the finance sector and its not rocket science to come up with a structre to make SLC a profitable institution. Criket has a big following in SL and we havent even tapped into half of its potential here in our country - this i mean in the financial sense.

So its just "MORE THAN ECONOMICS" we need a complete overhaul of the entire system!!!

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pretty poor team selection

pretty poor team selection imo . just don't understand why we need to throw a leggi into gayle , If our quick's can't pick gayle lets hope that Vandersay googlies are working , otherwise gayle is going to smoke this kid out of the park

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While we share some common views again your opinion about taking a bold and brave decision to include power hitters in the team contradicts with another statement about giving time to Thiri Chandi duo. Well lets take a power hitter like Miller,Maxwell where do you put him ? Who do you drop ? Kapu Siri Anji?

Chandi Thiri duo have the worst t20 track record in our team 11, you want to give them time and same time you want the selection committee to take a brave decision and include hitters ? we can only play 11. Bit confusing isn't it. Our middle order always get the pressure because of the lack of runs from top order. If you look at teams that score 200+, top order score heavily and quickly.

I don't agree that we have players of the calibre of Kohli in Sri Lanka at the moment. It's not only his technique that makes him the greatest in current generation, its his confidence and control. At his time Marvan was probably one of the technically accurate players but he was never the best, but Lara was the best even with an awkward technique. Best batters emerge when they are very young, examples (Sachin Lara Aravinda Inzi Ponting Waugh brothers Kohli). Sanga was an exception who developed based on his rock solid defence.

Lets not bring politics into these forums, even if you like it or not all the people who holds political power use that power to get unlawful advantages. Some get labelled as rouges while some smart cookies get away without being labelled. It is universal, but only gets highlighted in third world countries because we think politicians are the root cause of all problems.

We were extremely lucky to not get out of group stage in last t20 world cup,if not for hearth spell against NZ that could have been the result.

Its not a problem with X player Y player. As a country we are decade behind other teams. Sadly our public think it's India that doing all these things to us. :)

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